Thursday, March 29, 2012

Evening meal

I will be staying at the Hotel Schloss Wilhelminenberg the week before Xmas. Can anyone recommend a nice restaurant nearby or in the city centre, reasonably priced (an Italian maybe??)? also I have heard there is a restaurant on the Danube Tower, is it expensive? plus how far is it from where I%26#39;m staying and the best way to get there??




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hi, I don%26#39;t really know that area so can%26#39;t recommend you any Italian restaurants in that district. the only good restaurants around there I know of are %26quot;Villa Aurora%26quot; and %26quot;Grünspan%26quot; (huge dishes - reasonably priced).



very good italian in the city centre:



%26quot;Da Capo%26quot; Schulerstraße 2; %26quot;Fratelli%26quot; Rotenturmstraße 11, the entrance is on Ertlgasse



the restaurant on the Danube Tower - yes, it%26#39;s expensive. I%26#39;d rather do the brunch if you really want to eat there. or just get a coffee/tea and some cakes at the cafe. on www.donauturm.at you%26#39;ll find all the necessary info in english.



from your hotel to the danube tower it takes an hour. so I%26#39;d plan the visit during the day. from your hotel it takes first bus 46B to Ottakring. from there subway U3 to Stephansplatz. change to U1 to VIC(Kaisermühlen) and there the last change onto bus 20B which stops right at the tower.




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There used to be a restaurant at the Schloss Wilheminenberg - not sure if I can recommend it - well,not really. Maybe you like it though.





There is %26quot;Villa Aurora%26quot; however within easy walking distance (3 minutes, walk out of the hotel, turn right downhill and you can´t miss it! A unique place, an old inn and farm - they specialize in huge good Schnitzel. If it´s below freezing point, you may even do some ice-skating there for free.





There is a restaurant guide at www.falter.at (%26quot;wien,wie es isst%26quot;) Lots of Italian restaurants in Vienna.





Forget about the restaurant on the Danube Tower - just go there for the view. Donauturm=Danube Tower is on the other end of the city from where you stay, more than 15 km. Take the bus downhill, then tram J to the city centre, and from the opera/Karlsplatz underground U1 (red line). Will take you more than an hour I suppose.

Skiing near Vienna

Our family will be Vienna at Christmastime. Three of us (ages 23,19,18) want to make a day-trip to ski. Beginner-intermediate, not too fussy, would need inclusive transportation and ski rentals.


Any thoughts?




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See recent post on this site regarding skiing in Austria




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Easy slopes and not to far away are at %26quot;the wechsel%26quot; or at %26quot;the semmering%26quot;. I myself learned to ski at the Wechsel but you need a car to get there. It is about a 45 mile drive to get there. GAood luck. I will be in Vienna for New Years Celebration.


Servus




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Semmering (a mountain pass 90km south of Vienna) is definitely the place for you! A small but nice skiing area. Good train connections from Vienna (change train once, less than 2 hrs, www.oebb.at), ski rentals available, even night skiing ; check noe.co.at/partner/hirschenkogel_e/default.asp



Enjoy!

Christmas Lunch

I need a table for 7 and it looks like most places are closed or booked. Does anyone know of a good restaurant for Christmas day????






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Look at prior posts concerning the question of restaurants on Christmas Day and Christmas Eve on this forum.





They will give you names and websites of some places that are open.

Weather in February

What will the weather be like in February? Should I pack some snow boots? Please let me know! Thanks!




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Ciao,



you didn´t tell where you go: city of Salzburg? province of Salzburg / skiing resort?



Yes you might like to pack some snow boots. Quite cold in February, temperatures around or below freezing point. Maybe some snow in the city center of Salzburg, maybe not. Definitely lots of snow in the surrounding mountains of Salzburg province.




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Thanks! I was hoping not to pack boots since they are heavy, but I guess if I need them, then I have to! I%26#39;m sure I won%26#39;t regret it.



Danke!

Train from Innsbruck to Westendorf

Good morning,



Just wondering if its possible to get a train from Innsbruck direct to Westendorf in the Tirol? I am flying into Innsbruck on the 1st of January around 5pm and was hoping to pickup a train to Westendorf.



Thanks,


Darren




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hello..





check www.oebb.at for train connections.



But from the airport you need to go to the train station by taxi.





greets




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Thanks Vienna Native.





I had previously checked out the Austrian railways website and it tells me that there is a train from Innsbruck to Westendorf however my Cousin who lives in Munich checked this out directly with OEBB bookingline and apparently its not possible to go direct to Westendorf so I%26#39;m a bit confused.





Daz




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You do not go direct to Westendorf. A change of train is needed - probably in Worgl.



This may be way the confusion occurs.





But trains do run there. The station is just outside of the town. Travel time 1 hour plus





Be certain you mention Westendorf, Tirol, as another Westendorf is in Germany.




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Ok thanks Vertical




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get to http://fahrplan.oebb.at/bin/query.exe/en





Enter



FROM: Innsbruck Hbf. (or Innsbruck Flughafen which is the Airport)



TO:



Westendorf in Tirol





you will have to change trains/busses once, but that%26#39;s easy. Busses will run into the middle of the village. You will get a ticket for all parts of the journey from the bus driver at the airport (or ticket machine if there is one) or at the station, just tell him %26quot;Nach Westendorf%26quot;.

Top Austrian/Viennese Restaurant

I don%26#39;t know about everyone else, but I find that I can%26#39;t truly trust concierges when I travel. I feel that they always send me somewhere that is going to give them a kick back. They usually hand me a card and say %26quot;tell them that Bill sent you%26quot; and I%26#39;m usually disappointed. I am looking for a very honest- %26quot;what is the top Austrian restaurant in Vienna.%26quot; I would like to experience authentic, not touristy Austrian fair- but high-end. If you were in Vienna, had $5000 Euros to spend on dinner- where would you go?




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hi nice that you want to spend that much money. I can tell you which restaurants I tried out, not all of them are considere %26quot;luxury%26quot;





The best restaurant with Austria beef specialities is Plachutta





http://www.plachutta.at/en/home/





Korso (in the hotel Imperial)



Mahlerstraße 2



1010 Wien





starwoodhotels.com/westin/…





Zum schwarzen Kameel



Bognergasse 5



1010 Wien



http://www.kameel.at/







I haven´t been there but these 2 restaurants are to be said of the best:





Palais Coburg



palais-coburg.com/html/gourmet_restaurant.ht…







Meinl am Graben



www.meinlamgraben.at/meinl.aspx?target=106763




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See a



prior posting regarding good restaurants on this site some days ago.





Several recent surveys in Vienna list top rstaurants ( published in nespaper and top Restaurant guide.)





Meinl am Graben



Steirereck im Stadtpark



Korso ( in Bristol Hotel)



Palais Coburg



Eckel



The above will sereve International and Austrian specialties of the highest standard with excelent wine lists also.



While prior poster lists Plachutta- a very good restaurant - you will not find it on a top list of restaurants.





Morwald in the Ambassador Hotel was formerly on many lists, but lately seems to be losing to others.



They do have a good selection of Austrian meat specialties




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Thank you very much! I don%26#39;t have $5,000 Euros to spend...but I will be on expense account-the sky is the limit.




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Spend! Spend!





Be certain to order some good wine also!




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Vertical is right !( %26quot;spend! spend!%26quot;)





I%26#39;ve recently been in Palais Coburg and was quite disappointed (of course, it wasn%26#39;t really bad, it cannot be on that level and for that money) but I felt quite touristy and there is plenty of better food elsewhere in Vienna . . . If you want to go for good old Vienna flair try Meinl%26#39;s restaurant on the Graben. And definitely try some Austrian wine which is really good and getting better and better !




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@stacey0131





It really depends now what you really want.



Do you really want to go to the best restaurants acc to the critics or do you really prefer the most authentic Viennese/Austrian food





if you go for the authentic food



then good restaurants with high standards like





Plachutta



Glacie Beisl



Stöger



Schwarzer Adler etc





would be my recommendation.





I moved the culinary thread up to give you more information about Viennese cuisine.




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I would like to remind posters to this thread that Austrian/ Viennese cuisine is really a mix of ingredients and recipes from the former Empire.



Thus the cuisine is truly an international mix of Bohemia, Balkans, Hungarian, Austrian and others. A restaurant can be %26quot; High End%26quot; and still serve this authentic viennese food.





Perhaps some list their personal favorite restaurants that may not be considered %26quot; High - End %26quot; the original poster was inquiring about.





For visitors looking for truly the best, it may be best to rely on surveys as well as recommendations.




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I%26#39;m tempted to say that if I were in Vienna and had €5000 to spend at a restaurant I%26#39;d buy a ticket to NYC and eat at Alain Ducasse. The truth is I%26#39;m more of a museum and attraction tourist than foodie. That said, I particularly enjoyed the food and service at Cafe Demel and at Cafe Hofburg, and particularly did not enjoy my Sachertorte at the Sacher coffee shop (on Kärtnerstrasse, not the cafe). I can%26#39;t say I didn%26#39;t enjoy the service there; there was no service to enjoy or hate. BTW I had a great time at Cafe Weimar, which served up a wonderfully fluffy plate of eggs to absorb the too-many bottles of beer I had after the Volksoper.





The restaurant at Hotel Sacher looked inviting the last night I was there, when we ate in the Cafe.




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I think stacey0131 got now a lot of restaurants in Vienna and I hope you will enjoy your stay.




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re Euros 5000



Does one really have to fly all the way back to the states? Just trip down Ave Montaigne


Paris - Hotel Georges Cinq where Mr.Duchasse is not unknown.



Also why not eat in Sachers Restaurant?


To miss opportunity rather like taking a ham sandwich to the Lord Mayor%26#39;s dinner



Godd hunting Gerlis

Driving the Grossglockner (next summer)

A follow-up question to the earlier one I posted: we are thinking about driving from Salzburg through Heiligenblut and on to Lienz. We would spend the night in Lienz and the next day drive over the border to Mittenwald, Germany. Does this itinerary make sense?




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Why not? Obviously you like the mountains, and driving winding mountain roads. I estimate approx. 4 hours driving time both days. Bigger roads on your second day, easier to drive. Just hope for good weather on the Grossglockner road. Even in summer, it could be anything from warm temperatures, clear skies, sun and excellent views to fog, rain, or an occasional little blizzard..



The town center of Lienz is nice.




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Thanks for the advice, Amicus! It sounds like a gorgeous drive; I just wanted to make sure I wasn%26#39;t planning a route that was too demanding. Four hours a day sounds fine.





Blizzards in the summer? Guess we%26#39;d better take our mitts!

A whirlwind trip between Munich/Innsbruck/Salburg/Vienna...

Hello everyone!





I%26#39;m trying to plan some of my trip for late May next year and was wanting to get some comments or suggestions about my plans.





I arrive in Munich very late (23:00) on a Sunday night and fly out of Vienna mid afternoon the following Sunday.





At this stage I was thinking...





Mon: Munich



Tues: Dachau, 17:31 train to Innsbruck



Wed: Innsbruck, 17:30 train to Salzburg



Thurs: Salzburg



Fri: Salzburg, 16:05 train to Vienna



Sat: Vienna



Sun: Vienna





I know it%26#39;s not enough time to do these beautiful places justice, but I thought I%26#39;d love to squeeze Innsbruck into my trip if I could -- even if it is for a day.





Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!





Thank you!





Cheers, Kiz








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We have visited all of the places that you mentioned and I would say that your proposed itinerary is very do able and will give you a taste of the sights. Remember to check opening days and times as Church hours are limited on Sunday and many museums are closed on Monday but free on Sunday.



In Münich definitely have dinner at the Ratskeller in the basement of the Neues Rathaus. http://www.ratskeller.com/



Dachau is free. kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/englisch/content/…



In Innsbruck get the Innsbruck Card and take advantage of the free rides up to the mountaintops. I would recommend taking Tram #1 to the north side of town turn-around, cross the street to the Hungerburg Funicular Railway and then go up Nordkette Cableway to Seegrube for lunch overlooking town. www.innsbruck-tourism.at/index.html…



No need for the Salzburg card. Just wonder around old town and enjoy the building, churches and cemetery.




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Kiz,



your itinerary is manageable and will give you a good glimpse and impression of the mentioned cities. Prepare well which places and sights you want to see in your precious time. Innsbruck and Salzburg in a day seem o.k., but less than 2 days in Vienna means very difficult choices to make....you´ll have to come back later :-)




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Thanks for the advice!





Would I be better to leave Salzburg first thing on Friday morning so I had 2.5 days in Vienna and just the one day in Salzburg???





Decisions, decisions!!!





My european trip started out as four weeks... and is now seven!!! And I%26#39;m still only doing a tenth of what I would like!!




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Works either way; but yes, probably; Salzburg is very picturesque, but the old city centre can be walked easily, and Vienna is more than 10 times the size of Salzburg.





Well, Europe is about the size of Australia, but I guess there a little more countries, history, and sights... ;-)

Vienna Marriott

Are there any reasonably priced Viennese cuisine restaurants, cafes and supermarkets in the vicinity of the hotel? We%26#39;ll be staying there over the Christmas holidays and would greatly appreciate any advice or recommendations. Let me say that this forum has been an outstanding source of %26quot;insider%26quot; information of the type that guide books can%26#39;t or won%26#39;t divulge.




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For an ordinary tourist reasonably priced would probably mean cheap to moderate that a local would recommend. Given the fickleness of winter weather there may be times where we will be forced to loiter within the vicinity.




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Regarding a supermarket:





If you exit the Marriott and turn right - walk along the Ring- 5 minutes or take the streetcar to the Ringstrassen Gallery( Grand Hotel) - 2 stops on streetcar .



In the basement of this center is a large market that should supply you with everything you need. They even have prepared sandwiches for you.



Nearby Cafe - Restaurant-- Cafe Schwarzenberg-KartnerRing 17 About 250- 300 meters right from the hotel. open late in the evening too.





Good place for pastry , hot chocolate and a full meal. moderate prices.




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Thanks Vertical. Just looked up the 10 day forecast for Vienna. Makes San Francisco weather appear tropical.




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Today is cold and windy in Vienna- a small shower. No extra cold predicted.





Perhaps by next wednesday a little snow.



Remember we use celsius temperature scale- depending what weather prognosis you find- our 0 is your 32.





If you get cold- many cafes to stop for a warm drink and sample local atmosphere.



Also stop at one of the many kiosks for a Punsch or Gluhwein. They will keep you warm.

Volksoper query

Hi,



I%26#39;ve booked tickets for the Volksoper online. However I don%26#39;t understand a word of Austrian. Do I collect tickets before the performance from the Volsoper with my booking reference ?



Also what is suggested dress code, I will be travelling light and was anticipating on wearing trousers and shirt, will this be okay or is it less or more dressy ?



Thanking you in advance.



Spretz




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From www.volksoper.at, online purchase, %26quot;terms of business%26quot;:



%26quot;Tickets can be collected from the start of the advance sales period either at the box office of the theatre-using the Pick-up code and upon presentation of the credit card used to make the payment-or, if requested, tickets will be mailed.%26quot;





Well,there is no compulsory dress code, but most people will dress nicely (men: suit with a tie, women: evening dress). some are also dressed more informally.




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The Volksoper Box Office opens one hour before the performance and is on the right side of the lobby as you enter the Volksoper for you to collect your ticket.





The fashion police will not arrest you at the Volksoper. You will see all styles there.





Wear what you you feel comfortable with,but still something to fit the evening.



If you only have a shirt and pants ok- even a tie with be good.







Remember to check your coat as they are not permitted to be brought to your seat. Numerous checkrooms can be easily found.




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Thanks, I think I should be able to fit a tie into my luggage !



Spretz

Apartment reviews

I have been browsing through the list of apartments available from the Apartment Owner Organziation of Vienna at www.netland.at/wien/apartment-vienna.htm


and have been trying to find some independent opinions of the accommodation on offer. There seem to be plenty of sites reviewing hotels and hostels, but as yet I have been unable to find any dealing with apartments. Does anyone know of any such sites? If not, has anyone stayed at the %26quot;Apartment Bl������melhuber%26quot; on Gro������e Sperlgasse?


Many thanks


Gerard




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I believe many more people stay in hotels and/or hostels- thus more info on them.



In the past some have discussed apartments- Search prior posts - type in apartments and some info will come up.

Munich to Seefeld by Train

Looking for some info on rail travel to Seefeld, we are arriving at Munich airport 13:05 on 23 Dec. and just wondering if it would be better to pre book rail travel online in UK or wait until we arrive at Munich airport - which would be cheaper? Has anyone stayed at Hotel Haymon, gonna be staying there for 10 nights.




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No need to pre-book any rail travel. For train schedules use the DB website at:



http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en



From: München Flughafen Terminal To: Seefeld in Tirol



The cheapest way to travel from the airport to Seefeld would be using the Bayern-Ticket (Bavaria-Ticket) and going via Mittenwald. This ticket is only valid for travel on S-Bahn, IRE, RE and RB “commuter” trains.



bahn.de/-S:PtVORd:d9E-jtNNYyadcNNNNPIM/p/vie…



The normal full fare via Mittenwald is 28.30 each but with the Bayern-Ticket, for 26 €, up to 5 people could travel from the airport to as far as Mittenwald and from there the additional fare to Seefeld in Tirol would be 5.90 € each. The 2nd class fare to go on EC or IC trains via Rosenheim and Innsbruck would be 39.80 each.



You will probably not be able to make the 13:42 S-8 departure from the airport to Münich-Pasing, so after buying your tickets, take the next S-1 or S-8 to the Münich Hauptbahnhof [main train station]. At the station you could relax, have a meal and/or buy snacks/soda/beer to take on train RB 5429 which departs at 16:32 and arrives in Seefeld in Tirol at 18:45.



At that time of day on the Friday before Christmas, expect any train to be crowded so be ready to board promptly, store your luggage and get a seat. If you decide to take EC or IC trains via Innsbruck consider getting reservations. [3 € each]




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You don%26#39;t need a reservation for EC-trains (there%26#39;s also one ICE) Munich-Innsbruck... I have never seen any of these trains with more than 50 % utilization (especially if you don%26#39;t board coaches in the middle of the train).




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Thanks guys... info appreciated

What is the weather ilike in March...

I plan to join a river cruise (Vienna to Budapest) in mid-March. I wonder what is the weather like during that time of the year.




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Mid-march is hard to predict, it may vary from late winter weather (0-5°C, rarely some late snow) to early spring weather (up to approx.15°C). Most probably in between, approx.10°C, a good chance of clouds, rain, wind, but also sunny periods if you are lucky. Bring a pullover and a warm jacket, and you will be o.k.




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Additionally to Amicus :



Do you have to decide the cruise right now ?ask us again just shortly before your jurney, we%26#39;ll be more precize then, hopefully.

Second-hand clothing stores in Vienna?

Hello from Budapest! I%26#39;m a Canadian ex-pat living in Budapest...the city of great second-hand stores. I visit Vienna quite often and would like advice on second-hand clothing stores in Vienna...names, addresses, districts...





I%26#39;ll trade you info on Vienna for mine on Budapest!!! I%26#39;ll be in Vienna from Dec 27-29 and probably again in January, so any advice you can give would be great!





Thanks!





Anne H. in Budapest




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Hi Anne,





there is a nice one (respectively I never know if that%26#39;s just one or some different ones side by side) in the Landskrongasse (corner Wildpretmarkt) - 1st district. Check it out next time.





have fun !



lin




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I assume that you already know about the Naschmarkt -each saturday early in the morning- a flea market including clothes at the west end of the Markt.



6th District Weinzeile subway U-4 Kettenbruckengasse stop. If you find nothing, you can still get something good to eat.



Alao---



several second hand places on Schonbrunnerstrasse - 4 th and 5th District- I do not remember names.



19th District Brigitte Second Hand Clothes for ladies. Doblinger Hauptstrasse33 - I think it is still open.





On summer weekends- along the Danube Canal near Schwedenplatz- second hand books and other articles.

Ski Trip to Lech

We have a ski trip to Lech planned for February %26#39;06. I would appreciate a recommendation for a traditional bed and breakfast. Is it easy to find accomodations in Lech that don%26#39;t require a weeks stay? Does the bus from Langen run regularly?



Thanks.




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Lech - probably Austria´s most exclusive and most expensive skiing resort; all February is high season; I would assume it´s fully booked, so I doubt if finding B%26amp;B for less than a week will be easy. (I think Lech even affords a policy of excluding day visitors by selling only a limited number of ski lift tickets a day). Yes, the bus from Langen runs regularly, unless the road is blocked by avalanches, which occurs quite frequently all winter.



Anyway, check with the tourist information:



http://www.lech-zuers.at/home.asp?sprache=1




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The write up in the last posting is right.....feb is peak season %26amp; Lech is pretty much booked up. You could try www.tiscover.at and see if there is any availability for the dates you require or try Zuers up the road. Good luck!




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check tiscover - many family pensions are affordable, but book by the week only. the snow conditions are great in lech - it%26#39;s a very popular destination. the skiing is easy %26amp; intermediate. at zurs you have only big expensive hotels and mostly red slopes (icier). if all is booked - there is always st.anton (and valuga;). there%26#39;s much more there. it%26#39;s a younger jock crowd, bar hopping and noisy. but there are always pensione available - just don%26#39;t give up! the diff. between pension and garni - is that garni does not serve breakfast - you%26#39;re on your own with food. pensions serve just breakfast, occasionally there is a restaurant. there is a nice supermarket and wonderful cheese and speck (dry cured ham) shops - you won%26#39;t starve. restaurants are busy however and quite expensive. lech is less commercial and very few shops , st.anton has bars and shops galore!

Salzburg Hotels & Munich Hotels

Hi





I%26#39;m travelling to Salzburg and Munich in late January and would like some advice on hotels in both cities. I after a good 3/4 star in both cities that is well located. In Salzburg I would to be near the old town.





Hoping someone can help





Manny Thanks




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I%26#39;m sure there are many to choose from, we stayed at the NH Salzburg which was a short walk from across the river, to the old town (from memory).



We used the Kempinski at Munich but its at the airport (5 star).




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thnanks for the advice, but unfortunately the NH Salzburg is unavailable - looked perfect in terms of style of hotel and location, any other recommendations.




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This web site may be helpful:



http://www2.salzburg.info//




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Just got back from Europe yesterday. We went to Salzburg and Munich.





In Salzburg we stayed at Hotel Wolf. Can%26#39;t beat the location, 3 doors from Mozartplatz. We paid $100 night. We traveled all over for 3 weeks and stayed in much more expenisive hotels, but the Wolf was our favorite for comfort, breakfast, and location. The restaurant 2 doors down is wonderful and the people are very friendly. I will write a trip report when I get more time.





As far as Munich, we stayed at the City Hilton,(had too, we were traveling with a group). The location is not great if you want to walk everywhere. There was nothing wrong with the place, just not great for the price.




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I%26#39;ve stayed at a number of hotels in Salzburg and was quite pleased with a recent stay at the Castellani. It has all the comforts, and the breakfast was truly outstanding. It is across the river from the old town so it%26#39;s not %26quot;right there%26quot;, but it is a pleasant walk and is convenient to the bus if you prefer. I caught an exceptional deal on Orbitz about a month ago, and the staff was excellent as well. I felt it was worth the walk and plan to return. In Munich, I generally use the Kempinski when flying and the Eden Wolff when in Munich by train. It is across the street from the main station and is a short walk from the Marienplatz. Neither is a %26quot;bargain%26quot;, but both are comfortable and offer me great service.




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Hi Stuey





Came back from Salzburg and Germany last week. We stayed at the Goldener Hirsch in Salzburg which was truly fabulous. It is in the heart of the old town, and everything is within walking distance. Mozart Platz (previous post) is just over the river and there are some great restaurants and shopping near the hotel.The staff were great and the breakfasts awesome. A little pricey but well worth it with the location.




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Thanks for all the posts.



I%26#39;ve taken the advice from mrolfes with Hotel Wolf. Thanks



Still looking for teh Munich options so will check the one%26#39;s posted.



Cheers




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Thanks for all the posts





I have taken mrolfes advice and booked Hotel Wolf for three nights. Am really looking forward to staying there and with all the postive reviews from other tripadvisor members.





Still on the lookout for the Munich options so will check them out now. THis new world we live in just creates soooo many options!




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we stayed in advocat in munich - you have to take a subway a few stops to marientplaz. it%26#39;s modern boutique hotel, we liked it a lot. it%26#39;s been a few years though.

Alternative hotels and what are the must do sights

3 nights in Late August/Early sept..not the tour types but wont have a car so..what must we see around Salzburg..we are open to any suggestions (savoury please we%26#39;ll have 2 kids with us!)







We are considering the Sacher. Can anyone suggest an alternative. Service levels and location are key factors..





Thanks in advance..




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If you have kids with you, you MUST go to the Wasserspiele at Hellbrunn Castle. It%26#39;s so much fun and I%26#39;ve never seen anything like it anywhere. For more info, check out their English website at www.hellbrunn.at/hellbrunn/english/start/



index.asp



You and kids might also enjoy the dwarf sculptures at the Zwergfigurens park next to Schloss Mirabell.



Finally, if you have the chance to get to Berchtesgaden in Germany, do not miss the tour of the salt mines. You don traditional salt miner clothing, ride a salt miner train into the mine and get to slide down long wooden slides just like a saltminer would do. When I was there many years ago, the tours were not in English, but there were machines interspersed through the mine which gave information in English.




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Thanks Longhorn,





Saltmines sound interesting especially if the guides only speaks German..make my son do his school work.




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We didn%26#39;t stay but took dinner at the Best Western Elefant (which is closer into the old town than the Sacher) and got good service. 2 years ago I stayed at the Sheraton which was excellent but a bit further from the old town 15 mins walk/5 mins bus. We had coffee on the terrace at the Sacher, this was very good but coffee and cake cost as must as lunch had.





Sights - Hallstatt is a very old village and also has a salt mine. Rather busy with tourists from 10 to 4. Best approach is by boat from the rail station across the lake.





In Salzburg Mozart%26#39;s Wohnhaus is very well stocked and presented with an excellent audio guide. His birthplace was under reconstruction so there was a lot less to see.




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Hi GW



Don%26#39;t know how old your kids are or if it is their scene, but my kids (then 14 %26amp; 10) were facinated by the Sound Of Music sights in Salzberg (I know but thet loved the movie when they were little) You can go to the Abbey, the fountain where Julie Andrews %26amp; the Von Trapp kids were wearing cut up curtains, the site of their final concert and heaps of other sites. Only takes an hour or so to see by yourself, READ FREE, and at the very least the walk up the hill to the Abbey is worth it for the views. I know its not classic Europe but its worth an hour.




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we did the saltmines a few years ago and the guide spoke perfect english so was not a problem.... it really is an absolute must!!!!




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Thanks guys..





The kids will be 15 and 11, Aussie John and I know the 11 yo will love it the 15yo is getting to the %26quot;grunt%26quot; stage... The kids have probabaly done %26quot;the classic Europe%26quot; so we%26#39;re looking at place specifc things. Everyting I%26#39;ve read about Sound of music trips implied you had to get on a tour bus...yippee we can DIY..





georgia thanks for the stuff baout the saltmines..The 15 yo and I speak rudimentary german and i could proabbaly translate if need be (I hate when someone translates to another language on an English speaking tour) but the other two have no idea.




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Hi Guruswife



We did the saltmines tour about 10 years ago on the recommendation of my brother who had done it 10 years before that. It is so much fun. We started in the English speaking tour which sadly consisted of a group of obnoxious (won%26#39;t mention their nationality)tourists. Eventually we left that group and joined the German speaking tour. Even though we spoke no German it was much better and many of the other tourists and the guide spoke English. Everyone felt sorry for us as the others in our original group had disgusted everyone within hearing distance - even those who didn%26#39;t speak English! So whichever language tour you take will be great. The scenery around the area is brilliant as well.



You can certainly do most of the Sound of Music tour yourself. It%26#39;s a great way to see the sights of Saltzburg and all the guide books tell you about many of the sights. In fact if you are in Saltzburg it is very difficult to avoid seeing them unless you stay in your room! The only parts you miss out on are the %26quot;hills%26quot;, the wedding chuch, and the back view of the house and lake but we hired a car for the day and saw those areas on the way to the saltmines.



I%26#39;m sure you will have a wonderful time.



HarleyB




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Hi GW



I know what you mean about your oldest. Our Mister 14 didn%26#39;t want to know but once we started seeing sights from the movie he was into it big time. Hope it goes well.




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actually a %26#39;sound of music%26#39; tour is really a part of salzkamergut tour - tour of the lake and surrounding area (and they stop at the church - %26#39;dom%26#39; - where wedding happened) and a boat ride across the lake. the old villages on the lake are spectacular. you can do it yourself , of course , if you have a car. there%26#39;s a beautiful old castle 40 min out of town - you can climb into clock tower. they have falcons and other birds of prey there...don%26#39;t remember the name...it has fabulous views of countryside around. it%26#39;s well known. and you can walk to it uphill on foot...quite a hike too. in summertime it is deffinitelly worth visiting.

Skiing in St Johann im Pongau

We are planning a week in St Johann im Pongau 19 to 26 March, 2006. We have been told by friends that we will still get good skiiing in this area at this time. Can anyone out there give us some good advice on this matter.




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You should still have plent of snow at this time of year. Even if snow is a little thin, you are only 1/2 hr or so away form Sports Gastein where they ski right through until beginning of May - due to higher pistes. The whole ski region is called %26quot;Amade%26quot; and your ski pass covers both these areas and many more.


Have a great time!




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alpina is not that high - i think late march is pushing it - it%26#39;s too warm. we were in gross arl - it%26#39;s very close to st. johann - and it was a great winterland and -20C at night . it was feb...and then at the end of the week there was a thaw and everything in the village melted and the slopes were foggy and slushy. and march is much warmer and unpredictable...



you should consider going higher . even on glaciers at high altitude it gets very icy and crudy and no good snow that late. we were in tuxertal in mid march - and we skied -but as i said, it%26#39;s much better in feb. and tuxertal is very high compared with alpina.

Vienna: Evaluation of Figlmuller Restaurants in Wollzeile...

The leader of the group about which I posted last week asked me to ask you what your opinions/evaluations were of the two Figlmuller restaurants(cafe?)located on the Wollzeile and Backerstrasse.





Thank you,



Flying Around




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The Wollzeille location is the original. It is small, cramped, smokey and often with a waiting line of tourists.





At the long tables several groups of diners, unknown to each other are often seated elbow to elbow. Fewer individual tables.



WC is outside - confusing to first time visitors as they search inside for this place without success.





Around the corner-





Backerstrasse- nice place- much larger - 3 levels of individual tables- no waiting- same food but beer is on the menu here ( no beer at Wollzeille)





Always the same standard of Schnitzel - pounded very thin and over hanging the plate-



famous world- wide for this. Not the cheapest in Vienna, but for many a %26quot; Must See %26quot;





In my opinion the best potato salad in Vienna.




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reading Vertical I have to try their salad then . . . but I don%26#39;t like their schnitzel . . . and I find it always disgusting how the people are handled there, like feeding the masses in a school-kitchen. Yes, it%26#39;s probably worth to see, but I%26#39;d definitely go somewhere else to eat.




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lin 23:





You will note that I only commented on the quality of the potato salad- not the schnitzel-only its price- high for what you get.



Yes, better schnitzel elsewhere.



But almost every visitor to Vienna seems to know this place. It must be in every guidebook ever printed.




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Thank you both VERY much.



This(both locations)is where the annual group (not necessarily the same people each year) has gone for the last several years. The new leader has allowed me to arrange reservations at Oberlaa this year, thanks in great part to Romana there, whose English is quite good, and who takes the time and effort to put together an excellent experience. I am greatful.



She offered a fixed menu that included specially made deserts that would have been really good, but the American mind set got in the way ~ youth. So each one in the party will select from a variety of four cakes.(Not REALLY a bad option either way!)





During all of this process with Oberlaa there were times when we weren%26#39;t sure if we could meet the travel deadline in getting the reservations to everyone%26#39;s satisfaction. So he emailed Figlmuller in Backerstrasse, having learned about the lines around the corner the hard way(!), in order to get reservations somewhere. He didn%26#39;t know where else to go. In the end he recieved the reservation confirmation the same day from both Oberlaa and Figlmuller, thus needing to cancel one of them. Therefore, he asked me to ask you. Needless to say, he has cancelled the Figlmuller reservations in favor of Oberlaa.





Vertical and Roley, I am passing on your suggestions for further alternatives to the group leaders in case they are needed in the future and am adding them to my own personal file, as well as to the family%26#39;s travel plans in %26#39;07(Probably Spring/Summeer in light of Vertical%26#39;s suggestion of Spring/Summer without crowds ~ my thoughts exactly!) I also know a young lady who will be in Roley%26#39;s area for school, who would also benefit from all of these suggestions on excursions to Vienna. I didn%26#39;t realize that there was such a list within my own sphere!



Thank you both for responding to this inquiry. The group departs in just a very few hours now.





Until next time,





Flying Around




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As a post script:



I had never heard of Figlmuller%26#39;s before!





It sounds like I must have had this sole distinction.



Time for bed before I have to get up and take people to the airport...in 4 hours.





Flying Around




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FlyingAround,



the 4-cake version in Oberlaa is a good idea !Their cakes%26amp;sweets are quite the top (or at least one of the top). Their xmas-panettone is the best in town !





Vertical, when the city is geting a bit more quiet again (after this crazy xmas-time), I%26#39;ll be definitely heading to Figlm. to try their pot.salad (unfortunately no take away . . .).





have fun !



lin




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Lin 23- ask about takeaway. I have done it several times in the past. You just need to bring something to hold it.





Have you tried Figls ?- their remodeled place out near Grinzing - It has a more diverse menu and a nice garden in summer.




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Vertical : it%26#39;s shame on me but I haven%26#39;t known about Figl.%26#39;s Grinzing-address, however most prob. I%26#39;ll check it out in summer first (with the garden ;-)





oh, take away would be excelent ! I%26#39;m definitely going to try it then (I%26#39;m pretty much tempted with a good potato-salad, but really cannot stand the Figl. in the wollzeile-passage . . .)





thanks again ! %26amp; have a nice x-mas Vertical !




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You all have been fantastic! I have printed out all but the last 2-3 responses for the group leader to read and pass on. They will be dining at Oberlaa and we did opt for the 4 cake offer. The time was the thing. They will have to slide in shortly before they close, but everything will be ready and Americans do tend to eat quickly and run(It%26#39;s dreadful the way one is pushed through a dinner here!).



I will add the last comments to the info group and my file for future reference. Thank you both again, very much.



I have been flying around trying to get everything done before Christmas, myself so I haven%26#39;t been as Johny on the spot in responding as I would like. My apologies.





Merry Christmas everyone!



Flying Around




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For FlyingAround:







Merry Christmas!





I hope that your friends enjoy their visit!

Family Friendly pensione in salzburg

We are in Salzburg for 4 days in February with our well-traveled, well behaved, 7 year old. We don%26#39;t want to do a hotel chain - prefer a medium size, moderate priced hotel or guest house. I believe the old town is where it is all happening, so that may be the best area. Thanks.




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Hi. You could try one of my favorites, Haus Wartenberg. www.hauswartenberg.com It%26#39;s in the old town but a short walk (10 minutes) or a quick bus ride from the main sights. This also makes it cheaper that the places right in the busy center. The owner, Johannes, and his wife have a young child, and there were a few families staying with kids when I was there last. I think that would classify it as family friendly. It%26#39;s just a charming, family-run place that I adore.





If you want to stay in the city center, I%26#39;d recommend Hotel Weisse Taube. It%26#39;s mid-sized and affordable, but still very nice. My husband and I had a pleasant stay there in June.





I personnaly prefer staying a little away from the city center. It%26#39;s more quiet and you get more of a neighborhood feel - a little more authenic feeling than right in the touristy center of it all.

Railpass.com

Would like any comments regarding the website



www.railpass.com



Is it reputable? How is it different from



the Eurail - Raileurope sites?






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I don%26#39;t know what the difference is, but unless you want to buy a rail pass (for which such agencies as RailEurope are a good place), the information about single ticket prices, timetables and occupation of trains provided by such sites is frequently inaccurate and unreliable. The reliable information can only be found at the railway organisations%26#39; websites.

Mayrhofen

Hello has anyone been to Mayrhofen? Is it better to book snowboard lessons before you get there or is it ok to do it on arrival, there%26#39;s so many schools there can anyone recomend one? Thanx






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Many English people go to Mayrhofen.





Good snow , many lifts , night life.



You can book your lessons when you arrive.



Much easier and of course you can have questions answered too.





I would recommend the Peter Habeler Ski School ( Alpine Schule)





This is a family business- father - Peter - and son Chris are always watching to be certain things work correctly.





Their office, like most others is on the main street of Mayrhofen.





website





www.habeler.at







Have fun!




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Peter Habeler website-







www.habeler.com







for Mayrhofen information







www.mayrhofen.at




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Peter Habeler website-







www.habeler.com







for Mayrhofen information







www.mayrhofen.at




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I would say that it may depend when you are going, it%26#39;s always worth booking in advance at half term for resorts popular with English, as lessons can get full this week.




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Thank you for your help very excited now going in 1 day!!!

Travel to and from Innsbruck

My son needs to go to Innsbruck for an interview in March. He also wants to visit a couple of universities in Barcelona and Paris. He has no problem sitting on a bus for a long bus ride if that is the cheapest way to go from place to place. Is it worth getting the Eurailpass for train travel instead? He won%26#39;t be touring but connecting to these three cities. Any advice gratefully received.






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Basically, an inexpensive train pass (Eurailpass?) sounds like a very good idea. Train seems to be the best choice for this purpose - excellent and reliable connections (check the websites of the railroad companies). Buses operating on scheduled services are not as common for international travel in Europe as in America (at least the U.S.) or perhaps South America (buses mostly for tourists on package tours only, or local traffic). Cheap airline tickets might be an option, esp. in winter (low season - discounts), but I doubt if it will be as cheap as train.



buena suerte




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Thanks Amicus. I know my way around the British Isles but I haven%26#39;t been to Austria and it is many moons since I travelled in the rest of Europe. I%26#39;ll look into the Eurailpass.




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Welcome. Austria - moons ?





Well, BTW I wrote this while enjoying a good glass of wine (reds also from Chile, your red wines have become pretty popular in Austria in recent years). If I ever make it %26quot;down under%26quot; to Chile and have some question about wineries (which I like to tour), I´ll make sure to contact you :-))




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Hope this doesn%26#39;t post twice. I lost it.



Many moons means many phases of the moon...a long time.





If you are interested in Chilean wines, have a look here at these:



lizcaskey.blogspirit.com/interesting_wines/




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Moons, yes of course - sorry I read and posted too fast last time





Thanks, very interesting website, quite a few wineries sound quite familiar to me

Day trips

Hi there!


Can anyone recommend me some great cities in Austria where I can visit in just one day? I%26#39;ll be in Vienna and Salzburg next year, but really would love to see a few places off-the-beaten-track...


Thanks in Advance!




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Many day trips are possible from Vienna.



It depends on your interests what is best.







Many like the combi trip to Melk Abbey in Melk ( a beutifuly restored Abbey with magnificent view of the Danube), then a boat trip down the Danube to Krems, a visit to the museum then a train back to Vienna- a full day but very nice.



This is possible with a single ticket about 40 euros.




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From Vienna, maybe try Graz (city approx.180 km south of Vienna, capital of Styria)





From Salzburg: try Hallstatt (a village nestled between lake and mountain, with a rich history dating back almost 3000 years, salt mines); along with Bad Ischl (the fin de siecle-atmosphere of the old Austrian monarchy)

how about seefeld

I will go to seefeld in OCTOBER 2006. and I will stay in B%26amp;B there. can anyone tell me about B%26amp;B in seefeld?. I%26#39;ve seen it in the website, It is quite good( in picture). The house that I will stay is situate near WILDSEE. Is it far from railstation? and is there any place interesting in seefeld,recommend please.




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What is the name of the place you intend to stay in?





I assume B %26amp; B refers to the term Bed and Breakfast or as known here a pension.





Things are usually quiet in October as summer is finished and too soon for winter guests. Seefeld has a good pool- spa complex and beautiful surroundings, but no special sights. A nice place to wander in the hills , feed the deer,or use as a base to siight see.




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hi..





The pension(bed%26amp;breakfast) is called %26#39;HAUS ILSE%26#39;. I will stay at seefeld for go forward to mittenwald. In mittenwald, is there any interesting thing unless scenic view?. Do you think which village is the most beautiful view among seefeld, scharnitz and Leutasch and for go to mittenwald too? I am interesting in st.anton too. But I think there is no sight there. I%26#39;ve seen the picture of st.anton from WEBSHOT.COM, it is my impression to go to tirol. Could you please advise me about my trip that the most beautiful place of all upon village? Have you an e-mail? Do you mind if I write to ask you about tirol in e-mail? my e-mail is %26#39;parunoti@gmail.com%26#39;. thanks so much for your kinds.




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Haus %26quot; Ilse %26quot; is a small pension with several rooms about a 5-10 minute walk to the center of town and also the train station.



The lake mentioned is small and located at the south end of town. The Pension would be a short walk away.





To me, Seefeld is the better town to stay- more activities, shops, restaurants and near the train.





While Mittenwald is nice and a short train ride from Seefeld, I think Seefeld is more scenic.




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the weather in oct is already miserable - cold, wet, cloudy...it%26#39;s really not a good time for hikes - which are fun around seefeld.



same in st.anton - it%26#39;s a ski village, there might be snow on tops of the mountains, but not many people around or much to do in the rain. it%26#39;s better to go to the city like salzburg or innsbruck . at least you can go to museums and galleries...




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October- miserable weather?





Not really!





Perhaps poster was in this area when weather was bad, but this is not the usual.




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thanks so much to VERTICAL and OXY..




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Hi vertical..



Is haus %26#39;ILSE%26#39; is good to stay or I should find better? The house has 4 beds. The thing that I worry is %26#39;far from railway station?%26#39;, %26#39;far from cafe?%26#39;.If not, that house is not bad for me. Near the house there is wood forest, is it fine? tell me please.. thanks for your answer. I will stay in seefeld for 2 days after come from innsbruck salzburg and stubai. Could you please tell me about the cost of cable car from mutterburg station to eisgrat restaurant? and how about the weather there?



wait for your answer...

Best Vienna concert

I will be visiting Vienna in mid January and wonder if anyone can recommend where I should go for the best Mozart %26amp; Strauss concerts. I understand that during our stay there will be performances at the Orangery in the Schonbrunn but I believe there are also Strauss performances at the Kursalon. Any advice would be appreciated.




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If I had to choose between the two, I would select the concert at the Kursalon.





The concerts wold be relatively similar, but to me the Kursalon is a nicer setting and easier to reach if you are staying in the center of the city.




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Just heard a concert of Mozart and Strauss music with the Vienna Imperial Orchestra. They are a very small group of excellent musicians; an intimate atmosphere at the Imperialsaar on Beethovenplatz. Very enjoyable!

Christmas Eve in Vienna

We%26#39;ll arive from Poland to Vienna at 23-rd of December and will stay to 2-nd of January.


We%26#39;d like to take part in Christmas Eve in restaurant or club in Vienna. If any of Vienna%26#39;s restaurant will do Christmas Eve menu? Could You give us some adresses or links to their www?




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tomser.... I have a similar problem trying to get some where for christmas lunch. I have posted a question using the name Breeee



If you get any help can you please forward it to me and I will do the same for you thanks!!



breekb@hotmail.com




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Our hotel has recommended the restaurant, Pfudl for Christmas Eve dinner.

Vienna or Salzburg for Christmas Markets?

Hi





It is my parents%26#39; 50th wedding anniversary next December and they want to go on a 3-4 day break to Austria for sightseeing but particularly for the Christmas markets. Bearing in mind that they cannot walk vast distances, which is the better venue - Vienna or Salzburg? Apart from getting around, the main consideration is which city/markets are the most picturesque. Thanks in advance ...






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Well... Salzburg city centre is very picturesque; Vienna city centre is very nice too. Bear in mind that Vienna is more than 10 times the size of Salzburg. For 1-2 days, I would tend to recommend Salzburg. For 3-4 days, it´s probably Vienna, because there are several very nice Christmas markets, and much more to see. Check a survey of Xmas markets on www.wien.gv.at/english/special/advent/



or …salzburg.info/veranstaltungen_christkindlma…



Getting around is easy in both cities, by bus/tram or taxi




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I agree with prior poster that Vienna is the better choice.



You will find many more things to do in Vienna as well as a better variety of Christmas Markets in nice settings.





The Vienna public transport system is very good and allows easy access to most all tourist sights. It is also friendly to older people with elevators or escalators to most all subway stations and more and more streetcars and bus that are low to the ground for easy access.




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Thanks folks. Vienna it is, especially as we can also get them on direct flights from London H%26#39;row.

stay in old or new section? in Salzburg

I got a bit offtrack on looking for Salzburg hotels, but am back on it now! I was curious which section of Salzburg people prefer to stay in - the old section, which I heard is very touristy and crowded - does that make it fun or overwhelming? - or just across the river in the Linzer Gasse/Fran-Joseph area? It seems that the hotels with the most character (within our budget like Am Dom, Goldene Krone, Gablerbrau, Goldenen Ente, Trumer Stube) are in those areas, and the ones with A/C a bit over budget but not as charming (Crowne Plaza Pitter, Zum Hirschen) are closer to the train station. (We also considered staying a bit farther out on a bus line, but do not seem to have any consensus on which area/hotel would be the best) Any feedback as to the areas right in Salzburg which would help us make our decision?




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Actually, your current favourites are a mixed bag of old and new town ...





Am Dom and Goldenen Ente are both in the old town, very centrally located. A friend stayed at the Ente and she recommends it highly. It has a nice restaurant attached. That area gets a lot of foot traffic in the height of the tourist season - but then so does most of Salzburg cos it is so small!





Goldene Krone, Gablerbrau and Trumer Stube are in the new town on or just off the Linzergasse. I often stay at the Gablerbrau and really like it. It also has a nice restaurant attached and lots of other restaurants close to hand. That area is slightly less touristy but not very much so, since there are so many hotels in the area! But I do prefer it - mostly because of the wider choice of shops and restaurants on that side. I would recommend the Gabler since that is close to the river anyway so you%26#39;re getting the best of both worlds.





The hotels on the new-town side also have the advantage of having frequent bus services to the railway station. When I stayed at Pension Chiemsee in the old town, we had to cross the river to catch a bus to the station - no big deal but a pain if you are dragging a heavy case (as I was!)





Hope that helps!



r




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Although we%26#39;re not old Salzburg hands like Roley, we can confirm, based on our very recent visit there, that she admirably sums up the pluses and minuses. We%26#39;d add only that the taxi fare for 2 people between the Old Town and the railway station was only about 7 or 8 Euros, and that we enjoyed being able to step out of our hotel and be directly in the heart of things. Crowds were merely moderate and not oppressive, in the 3d week of September. And depending on when you go, you may not need A/C -- we didn%26#39;t miss it, although we%26#39;re aware that a week or two earlier would have been different this year (right, Roley?).





On the other hand, if you go to an evening concert at the Mirabell Palace or to the Marionette Theatre, the walk %26quot;home%26quot; would be shorter if you stayed on that side of the river. (And you should go to both venues -- although the Mirabell concerts are promoted as %26quot;tourist%26quot; concerts, we learned that the Mozarteum plans the programs and provides the performers (not sure if that%26#39;s new this year, or just newly publicized). And even a serious classical-music fan can%26#39;t do better than that.





I%26#39;m not sure exactly where the particular Old Town hotels you mention are located, but the Weisse Taube in the Kaigasse where we stayed (and the Wolf next door), just off the Mozartplatz, are more or less at one end of the Old Town, so there were no crowds whatsoever in the immediate vicinity of the hotels -- yet Getreidegasse, the Old Town%26#39;s main drag, was at most 2-3 minutes walk away.





Hope this is useful, and that you have a wonderful visit as we did.




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Hi. My favorite place to stay in Salzburg is Haus Wartenberg. It%26#39;s in the old town but away from the big tourist area in a more residential area. It%26#39;s only a 10 minute walk to the center of old town.



Haus Wartenberg is a family-run inn with TONS of charm. It%26#39;s not overly fancy but has all the things you need. My husband and I had a lovely room on the second floor. There was a window seat I just loved. I sat there with the flowers spilling out of the window box below me and was in heaven. The breakfast (included in rate) was good with fresh bread, cereals, milk, slices of meat, jams/butter, coffee and tea.



You can check availability and request rates by emailing them. hotel@hauswartenberg.com



Their website has pictures: www.hauswartenberg.com



I would not recommend staying near the train station. Mirabell Gardens is near the station, but most of the best places to see are in the old town.



Be sure to visit Augustiner Brau if you like beer. It%26#39;s such a cultural experience. The Augustiner church (attached to beer hall) is lovely and worth a visit too. Also, I loved walking the trails near the base of the Hohensalzburg Fortress. St. Peter church is my favorite church in all of Europe and the cemetary is really interesting. I also really like the restaurant beside St. Peter- St Peter Stiftskeller. Enjoy!






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Thanks for all the great answers to my post! They were just what I was looking for. As you can tell, I was very confused about where to stay - given that I had cloices that I liked in the old and new sides. I also considered the hotels near the train station (although I knew that I would be happier in the thick of things) and out side Salzburg. (some really appealing places there, but I think I%26#39;d get tired of the bus).





I am going to go with the Gablebrau for this trip- the very first place I considered and with Roley%26#39;s good reviews(!) I always did like the sound of that location and they have a family room for 5 that should suit us. Keep you fingers crossed that we don%26#39;t need the A/C and that they still have availibility! Anyone know where to buy fans just in case?! (That%26#39;s a sort of serious question!)





Thanks too for the information on the Marionette Theater and the Mirabelle concerts. Do I need to book them in advance given that it is the high season - if so, should I do it through the hotel or online - or can I wait until my arrival to look into it? I have heard before the the St. Peters restaurant is good for the Mozart dinners/ Did any of you go to that?





I%26#39;ll be back with more questions, I am sure - I%26#39;m so glad everyone here is so nice about helping me out!!!




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I hope you%26#39;re happy with the Gablerbrau! I found them very efficient - and ooh, those breakfasts! My mum and I could barely move after all that eggs and bacon ... not to mention the breads, cheese, fruit, yoghurt etc etc etc!





We stayed in a room for 3 and it was really big, so I imagine their room for 5 will be a good size. Our bathroom was humungous - as big as some rooms I%26#39;ve stayed in!





I think that they actually do have a few tabletop fans you can borrow - ask at the desk when you check in and they should be able to put one in your room. I%26#39;m fairly sure we had a fan in our 3-bed room.





I don%26#39;t know how you plan to make your bookings but I have used the online booking on the Gabler%26#39;s own site in the past and that worked fine (though they might not have availability that far in the future). Their site is http://www.centralhotel.at/





Will you be there during Festival time (mid-July-August)? If so you might find some fun things to go to! The Landestheater (www.salzburgerlandestheater.at ) sometimes has opera and ballet on its programme, outside festival times. I%26#39;m afraid I can%26#39;t give any guidance on the Marionettes etc - Hoftraveler sounds an expert for that!





And I discovered on my last trip one restaurant that I would recommend. It%26#39;s a bit out of the way and tricky to find but worth the effort! It%26#39;s called Weisses Kreuz, and can be found behind the Domplatz at the foot of the fortress. It has the most fabulous Balkan food; we ate ourselves nearly unconscious! Their site is



members.eunet.at/weisses.kreuz/index_e.htm




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Hi Roley





I have been in contact with the Gablerbrau through their website, as you suggested. The %26quot;family room%26quot; is actually two rooms, either on the 2nd or 4th floors, with one bathroom. One room has a double bed, the other has either 3 rollaways or 3 normal beds...I%26#39;m not actually quite clear on that since they said it differently in 2 different emails. Oh well, they are for our 3 kids. I can%26#39;t imagine they%26#39;ll think much about it. Do you recommend being higher up in case the streets are noisy or doesn%26#39;t it make much difference? I just got an email back saying that the family room is available for 230 euros including breakfast and taxes.. Seems like a deal!





I was tempted to stay at the Blobergerhof in Leopoldekron - it looks adorable - but the bus would probably be a pain. Have you ever heard of it? Just curious.





I%26#39;ts a relief to have finally decided - thanks for your help. i%26#39;ll be asking more questions about other things soon if you don%26#39;t mind. bye!




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Forgot to ask - what foods would a Balkan meal include?




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You mention you might consider staying out of town on a bus route. We have stayed at the Hotel Doktorwirt in Aigen four times in the last twelve months and would never stay anywhere else. It is a 12-15 minute bus ride right into the the old town. The hotel is family run, four star and serves fabulous food. Try putting it into Google.





Liz.




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Hi Liz - thank you for your suggestion. My husband and I agree that the Doktorwirt is indeed beautiful. Fortunately, it is above the budget for this trip. I say fortunately, because if it were within budget it would send me into another spiral of indecision!





It, however, is bookmarked for consideration for a future trip...without kids!




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Sounds like you%26#39;re making progress! I would prefer the higher floor, given the choice, as it does cut down a little bit on street noise. They have a lift, so that%26#39;s no problem! My mum %26amp; I stayed on the fourth floor and experienced no difficulty with say, water pressure in the shower :) That sounds like a good deal for the price. I think our room was 125 euros for the two of us, which wasn%26#39;t bad at all.





I%26#39;ve not had any experience of the Blobergerhof (love the name, I imagine the guests blobbing out happily!) but I think the bus ride would be awkward, especially when you have a late night in town and then just want to get to bed in a hurry!





I am no authority on Balkan food at all so I%26#39;m having trouble remembering the names of the things ... I had spiced roast lamb which was absolutely delicious and my friend had a spicey meat and rice dish called Djuvec. Lots of paprika, which I love. For pud I had the most divine Milchraumstrudel served with hot berries, ooh that was delish. They also do Austrian dishes. The prices were very reasonable we thought, and the portions were huge in time-honoured Austrian style :) We admired the %26quot;Balkan specialties for 2%26quot; and wished we had ordered that! They have menus in English which helped.





I look forward to hearing about your Salzburg adventures (what, only about 9 months to go! :)





xr

to choose the cheapest way to innsbruck from salzburg

help me please. I will travel from salzburg to innsbruck. which train or bus is the cheapest way to innsbruck? and how can I choose it? would you please tell me the different of the train such as OEC, EC (WHAT TYPE OF IT). and about the price..very thanks.




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2nd class EuroCity EC train fare from Salzburg to Innsbruck is 33.60 €. Travel time about 1h 50m. http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en



If there is more than one traveler, you could use the Die Bahn Bayern Ticket [26 €] from Salzburg to Munich and then from Munich to Mittenwald. From Mittenwald a 2nd class tickets onward to Innsbruck costs 8.90 € each. As many as 5 people can travel on a single ticket, but it is only valid on IRE, RE or RB “commuter” type trains after 09.00 on weekdays and all day on weekends. Travel time 5h 11m. bahn.de/-S:PtVORd:d9E-jtNNYyadcNNNNPIM/p/vie…



Buy train tickets at the station before boarding.




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Hi!





Go to www.oebb.at, choose english on the right top of the page.





No possibility to use things like Bayern ticket, you don%26#39;t go via Mittenwald (which would be a huge detour). There are fast %26amp; direct trains between Salzburg and Innsbruck every 2 hours.



All of these trains are highly comfortable and fast, offer 2nd and 1st class (2nd class is fine), restaurant cars and some other services. Usually no need to reserve seats in advance, trains can never be sold out. I%26#39;d reccommend a seat reservation only if you are a larger group and want to sit together. (reservation is € 3,40 per person, free for 10+ persons)



The difference between a OEC and EC is that the OEC offers Business compartments in 1st class (1st class ticket + 15 € per person), electric plugs at the seats... that%26#39;s it.



Single ticket 2nd class is € 31,80



2 persons € 49,70



3 persons € 66,60



4 persons € 83,50



...




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very thanks to Dough328 and ROBBIAUSTRIA so much. if I have any question I will ask again.




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hi ROBBIAUSTIA..



Do you mean that the 2nd class of austrian train offer the price for 2 person is 49.7 euros? It%26#39;s reduce 13.9 euros. Do I missunderstand? reply me please.




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That%26#39;s correct. It%26#39;s called %26quot;1-Plus-Ticket%26quot; (you will get this automatically at the ticket counter or ticket machine). The more people travel together, the more discount you get...




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Hi.. ROBBIAUSTRIA..



very thanks to you. It%26#39;s very save for me. I will travel for 2 persons. Can I buy this type of ticket at any counter ticket? Because I will go to seefeld and mittenwald too. And at last I will go back to wienna for go home. When I buy ticket I have to request for %26#39;1 PLUS TICKET%26#39; at any time. It



is my big knowledge. previously, I wonder how to buy ticket. now I know how to buy it. I think I can%26#39;t buy the ticket from the ticket machine, I don%26#39;t know the GERMAN lanquge.





thank you..






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You can buy this ticket at any ticket counter, they will automatically give you a 1-PLUS-Ticket, just state that there are 2 people.



You can buy your tickets just before you go at the ticket counter or ticket machine. You will be given the cheapest fare anywhere. Ticket machines have a touch screen (red machines) and have a dialogue in German, English, French and many eastern languages. They also accept all credit cards and of corse cash.





Don%26#39;t worry, train travel is very easy.




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and for timetables, go to:



http://fahrplan.oebb.at/bin/query.exe/en





There you have all timetables of all means of public transport in Austria + trains allover Europe.




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hi ROBBIAUSTRIA..



I can%26#39;t say in any word to many thanks to you. thanks so much again. at first i worry that %26#39;how can i buy the ticket?%26#39; and %26#39;what type of ticket that I should buy?%26#39;.



but now I understand that. If I had any question I will ask again.




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No problem, you%26#39;re welcome.

Frohe Weihnachten-Merry Christmas





From Vienna-







Frohe Weihnachten- Merry Christmas- Happy Holidays





To all who visit this site!









Vertical




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Thank you; And may I add my own Christmas greetings to all those who visit the site especially, yourself, RobbiAustria and dougb328 all who spend many hours giving advice to all and sundry.




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I would like to add –



altamiro, oller, Olygirl, swandav, and Suburbanite05 to the list.



Merry Christmas to one and all.

Christmas Markets

Hi,





I travel to Vienna twice a year for many years and know it very well.





I%26#39;d like to find some less well known Christmas markets than the ones previously mentioned - can you suggest some please that are accesible either by ubahn, tram or bus?





Many thanks.




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The Christkindlmarkt in the couryard of the old AKH ( Hospital) n the University complex is less well known- still nice.



I think the Bim 43 or 44 runs by there.





www. weihnachsdorf.at



for more info ( german)





Perhaps mentioned before- but one of the nicest is the Altweiner Christkindlmarkt in the Freyung area ( First District at the Schottenstift.



Many nice craftsmen show their work.



Good food and music on their small stage in late afternoon - generally 17 or 18:00





www.altweiner-markt.at





A short distance ( 1 minute walk)to AmHof and another nice market.





Bus 1A ,2A and 3A run nearby




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Freyung is in fact my favourite, although small it has a lovely atmosphere - and I often stop there for breakfast nuts and punch on the way to get the 38 up to Grinzing.





I know the campus one - it has a great atmosphere, although the paths are narrow and it can be a bit of a nightmare on a Saturday night.





I was hoping that there might be some others.






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Several very good markets exist not far out of the city.



My favorite- a true Advent Market



accessible by train from the Franz Josef Bahnhof -- the Schloss Grafenegg Adventmarkdt. about 50 minutes ride





It is only held for four days each year. ( This year Dec 8 -11.)





The Schloss ( Castle) becomes the Market with some of the best displays of crafts in Austria. True art of glass, wood, tin attract people from everywhere. It is the old Market that they remember.



Home- made baked goods by local ladies with the proceeds to renovate the centuries old organ in the local Church.



Of course Gluhwein, punsch etc. Just visiting the Schloss is a treat.





In addition , a nice program of events including concerts, Blass music, Christmas music of a high standard. etc. Toni Morwald , the well-known chef, has a wine keller and restaurant for excelent food.





Admission is 7 euros but worth it.





One nice touch, by arrangement , Grafenegg will have a horse- drawn carriage transfer you from the train station , the 2 Km. to the Schloss.







www.grafenegg.at





click on Advent - only in german







The suburban downtown of Modling - available by the train from Landmitte. S-1 ?





Also nice is the area of Hietzing near the park exit to Schonbrunn- take U-bahn to Hietzing exit- some nice cafes too.




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Many thanks - these tips were very much appreciated.





A dull question!





Does the standard Vienna ticket (I use the 8 day strip) allow travel on the S-Bahn line 1 to Modling - or do I buy a different ticket for this journey?





Also is it a walk from Modling station to the central area where the market is?





I see on the Modling site there are buses Monday to Friday but I hope you can walk!




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Your 8 day ticket is only good until the city limit of Vienna.



You must buy a separate ticket for the distance of the city limit to Modling.





You can buy this at the ticket window ( example at Landmitte on the entrance floor. )Just show your 8 day card advise the seller of your destination. He will sell you this extra ticket)



Tickets should also be available from conductor on the train. But , they are often busy, claim to have no change or are just plain rude.The ticket cost will be a small sum as Modling is not far.



Many trains stop there.





The zentrum is walkable but you may want to take the bus as you will probably do much walking while there.





Enjoy!




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Was it my imagination? Is Spittelberg market much smaller this year?




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Is it? I haven´t yet been to Spittelberg yet this year, but I wouldn´t think so.





Check the survey of Christmas markets on the website of the city of Vienna



…wien.at/winter/…dieschoenstenmaerkte.htm





Maybe you do not yet know the market in front of Belvedere castle, or the one on Karlsplatz, in front of Karlskirche ?





You seem to know more Xmas markets than most Viennese! :-)




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I%26#39;ve been going there at least for two visits each year for the last 20 years or so. Once in the first week in July for around 8 days and for around 12 days in December and know the town center markets.





I am the world%26#39;s expect on the punch stalls and the price and quality of maroni at each stall!





Whereas in previous years Spittleerg was always very full of stalls this year it%26#39;s my impression that there seems to be lot%26#39;s of gaps.




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uk2, I had the same feeling visiting the spittelberg-market a week ago on Sat. it was smaller, less packed, less people (on a Saturday!)




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I%26#39;m glad you thought so. My daughter and her partner came with us this year and I left Spittelberg %26#39;til last because it was the best - but it was sad this year. Morose people manning less stalls.





Were they all in Amhof this year?





Anyway the webcams in Rathausplatz show them all clearing up.





Another year, another punsch.





Jeff

about Stubai glacier

I plan to mieder village next october 2006.



can anyone tell me how far from mieder village to mutterburt station and the fare of cable car to eisgrat station? I may have lunch at eisgrat restaurant. What type of food there,and is it expensive? and how about the weather too. thanks so much



and is mieder village beautiful?




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Information about Stubai valley and the Stubaier glacier can be found at:



http://www.stubaiaustria.com/



www.stubaier-gletscher.com/index.php?lang=en




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Mieder is a small village at the entrance to the Stubai Valley. This is about 20 minutes south of Innsbruck.



I believe only a bus will take you to the base station of the lift. ( 15 minutes or more ? ) You will find the lift expensive - about 25 euros I think. It is best to go only on days with good weather.



Drees for cold weather at the top as temperatures can be 10-20 grad cooler than in the valley.





I do not remember the name of the main restaurant but these cater to the skiers.



Mostly self service buffet- frankfurters, fries, schnitzel, soup drinks- some other items relatively expensive as all the food comes upon the lift also.





You may find that the town of Neustift is closer to the glacier with more things to do and activities.





I note that you plan other stays near by in this area. Any special reason ? The towns would offer many of the same activities. You could save travel time by limiting your stay to one town unless a special reason makes you change.




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thanks to VERTICAL and DOUGB328 so much.



at first, I want to see glacier. but now I may be change my mind. I think the lift is so expensive. and nothing there unless the white snow. Thus I may continued stay in innsbruck for travel to Kuftstien fort for see the Rediel glass maker. Could you tell me how to go to Kuftstien fortress? and to see the glass maker is charged? thanks again.




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Kuftstien spelling should be Kufstein



Rediel spelling should be Riedel



Use the ÖBB website to find train schedules and fares from Innsbruck to Kufstein. http://www.oebb.at/vip8/oebb/en/



From: Innsbruck To: Kufstein



Full 2nd class fare is 11.80 €, 1-PLUS-Freizeit-Ticket fare begins at 12.80 €.



For information about tours of the Festung Kufstein [Fortress Kufstein], click on Guest information Price lists [only in German] at: www.festung.kufstein.at/mainpage_english.html



For information about tours of the Riedel glass factory, click on Factory Tour and then Opening Hours and Map - red colored (here)] at: riedel.com/website/…frameset.html

Vienna Prater

Hello again



Still planning my school trip to Vienna.I have read mixed reviews on the Vienna Prater on Tripadvisor.Surprised to hear in one that it is dirty and maybe not safe.Any comments?



Mick




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I quickly looked to the info on the Prater and found little bad news exeption to a poster and her warning of %26quot; Ladies of the Night%26quot; that was later refuted by another on the same thread. But, I did not read everything.





The area beyond the Prater has had a long reputation for this business. It is confined mostly to nights and in an area that your group would not reach unless really trying to do so!





I regularly visit the Schweizerhaus,in the Prater, an old Vienna institution for food and beer during its season March-November. I must walk through most of the Prater to reach it. I have not seen dirt or unsafe conditions.ButI do see many groups of teenage school kids having fun.



This is not a Disneyland but an old- fashioned amusement park, with rides,games etc. loud music, eating places from Doner kebab to McDonalds. Some eat too much junk, then ride too many of the wild rides and have some digestive troubles.



Some may be intimidated by the atmosphere.





Yes, I am certain it can change late on a hot summer night when too much beer is consumed.



Yes, you could find unsavory characters there too if you look. But , this is found everywhere in todays world.





In general, thousands go to the Prater and enjoy what it has to offer safely.




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Hi Vertical.


Thanks most reassuring


Mick




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We also are thinking of visiting Prater on our trip to Vienna in January but wonder if there would be much open in the Winter months. We have two boys 13 and 15 years. Would a visit be worthwile in January?




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Most things in the Prater are closed in winter. Not worth to visit unless you want to ride the Giant Ferris wheel.




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thanks, that is one thing we can cross off our list




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best times is really spring and summer time



Please also look outside of the amusement park and ejoy the nature. Rent a bike or inline skates and explore the big park.




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i concur with Hu.I am a female myself and my husband and I used to go faily regularly in the evenings.I cycled alone this late summer on the main roads in Prater and had no problems.There ARE %26quot;ladies %26quot; around but you probably won%26#39;t find them..Vienna ISN%26#39;T (ALWAYS)THE FRIENDLIEST of CITIES BUT I FEEL SAFE HERE.




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Agree with Vertical also.But you need an ID to rent their bikes.MY faulty ATM was only accepted coz I wanted it for only an hour.




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Sorry,meant you needed some proof of who you are,driving licende ok, I think.




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If I were you, I wouldn%26#39;t visit the Prater, especially not during winter time, due to personal bad experiences.



The local expert for Vienna wrote that this is rather a safe place what I personally doubt. I have a female friend living in the surroundings and she often had to face annoying and unsafe situations. The youth having fun there consists mainly of teenagers from poor immigrant families and tend to treat others in not such a refined way.



I addition, there isn%26#39;t really something interesting to do in the Prater.



Vienna is a wunderful city and a great place to stay. Enjoy our rich cultural heritage and don%26#39;t go to Prater as you only will be disappointed.



Have a nice trip!!